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Attached the project to an 64-bit Vista Machine.
Running the 64-bit boinc client.
Attaching works.
Getting work works as well.
But all WU\'s give an error shortly after they started.
<core_client_version>5.10.30</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
Onjuiste functie. (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1)
</message>
<stderr_txt>
app error running lisp: 0x1
</stderr_txt>
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My machine : http://mindmodeling.org/beta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=872
Does anyone else notice this ?
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Attached the project to an 64-bit Vista Machine.
Running the 64-bit boinc client.
Attaching works.
Getting work works as well.
But all WU\'s give an error shortly after they started.
<core_client_version>5.10.30</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<message>
Onjuiste functie. (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1)
</message>
<stderr_txt>
app error running lisp: 0x1
</stderr_txt>
]]>
My machine : http://mindmodeling.org/beta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=872
Does anyone else notice this ?
I have not tried anything on 64 Vista.
Could you check a few things out
Is there an unzipped sbcl1.0.9 directory in the MM@Home projects directory?
if there is:
what happens if you:
open cmd
cd to that dir
type sbcl --core sbcl1.0.9.core
--Jack
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I have not tried anything on 64 Vista.
Could you check a few things out
Is there an unzipped sbcl1.0.9 directory in the MM@Home projects directory?
if there is:
what happens if you:
open cmd
cd to that dir
type sbcl --core sbcl1.0.9.core
--Jack
The directory is actualy there with 2 files in it :
\"sbcl.core\" and \"sbcl.exe\"
29/01/2008 18:17 <DIR> .
29/01/2008 18:17 <DIR> ..
29/08/2007 06:27 23.220.232 sbcl.core
29/08/2007 06:20 1.808.651 sbcl.exe
Result of the command (copy/paste) :
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
1.0.9.core
validation of reserved space too short.
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate 1044480 bytes at 0x02100000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>
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I have not tried anything on 64 Vista.
Could you check a few things out
Is there an unzipped sbcl1.0.9 directory in the MM@Home projects directory?
if there is:
what happens if you:
open cmd
cd to that dir
type sbcl --core sbcl1.0.9.core
--Jack
The directory is actualy there with 2 files in it :
\"sbcl.core\" and \"sbcl.exe\"
29/01/2008 18:17 <DIR> .
29/01/2008 18:17 <DIR> ..
29/08/2007 06:27 23.220.232 sbcl.core
29/08/2007 06:20 1.808.651 sbcl.exe
Result of the command (copy/paste) :
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
1.0.9.core
validation of reserved space too short.
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate 1044480 bytes at 0x02100000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>
Good testing!
That definitely showed there to be an issue with sbcl on 64 Vista.
I don\'t know what the fix is yet though? If we could get [url=http://sbcl.sourceforge.net\"]sbcl to work everything else should be O.K.
--Jack
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It seems to be a very common problem, not only on 64 bit.
Some recommend to limit memory usage using \"--dynamic-space-size 128\" (on some boards they posted other values) |
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It seems to be a very common problem, not only on 64 bit.
Some recommend to limit memory usage using \"--dynamic-space-size 128\" (on some boards they posted other values)
That sounds like a reasonable thing to test
kdr_98: will
sbcl --core sbcl --dynamic-space-size 128
run?
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It seems to be a very common problem, not only on 64 bit.
Some recommend to limit memory usage using \"--dynamic-space-size 128\" (on some boards they posted other values)
That sounds like a reasonable thing to test
kdr_98: will
sbcl --core sbcl --dynamic-space-size 128
run?
--Jack
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
--dynamic-space-size 128
This is SBCL 1.0.9, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
could not open file \"sbcl\"
open: No such file or directory
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The \"core\" parameter was incomplete I think.
sbcl --core sbcl1.0.9.core --dynamic-space-size 128
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The \"core\" parameter was incomplete I think.
sbcl --core sbcl1.0.9.core --dynamic-space-size 128
(the full core filename has to be given)
This is true
(sorry about that)
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BTW I am getting the same problem with winXP64 as originally posted.
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Hi,
I have same problem on WindowsServer 2008 x64.
C:\\Program Files (x86)\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --cor
e sbcl.core
This is SBCL 1.0.9, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
VirtualAlloc: 0x57.
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 4616:
os_map: VirtualAlloc failure
LDB monitor
ldb> ^C
and
C:\\Program Files (x86)\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --cor
e sbcl.core --dynacim-space-size 128
validation of reserved space too short.
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate 1044480 bytes at 0x02200000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
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Right now MindModeling@Home is not working on any win64 OS.
The reason for this is that Steel Bank Common Lisp is not working.
If any one can figure out a way to get SBCL to run on a win64 machine, it would be greatly appreciated.
Perhaps attempting different values for
--dynamic-space-size 256
--dynamic-space-size 512
--dynamic-space-size 768
--dynamic-space-size 1024
...
Thanks,
--Jack
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diferent sizes dont work too.
c:\\Program Files (x86)\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl.exe s
bcl.core
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 4568:
can\'t find core file at /usr/local/lib/sbcl//sbcl.core
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Sorry , for the late answer.
But how is this suppose to work.
Do you need to download a WU or something and them start it up.
Or can it just be started up ...
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta>cd sbcl1.0.9
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.ocre
validation of reserved space too short.
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate 1044480 bytes at 0x02200000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core
This is SBCL 1.0.9, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
VirtualAlloc: 0x57.
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 3692:
os_map: VirtualAlloc failure
LDB monitor
ldb> quit
Really quit? [y] y
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 256
validation of reserved space too short.
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate 1044480 bytes at 0x02200000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 512
This is SBCL 1.0.9, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
VirtualAlloc: 0x57.
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 3640:
os_map: VirtualAlloc failure
LDB monitor
ldb> quit
Really quit? [y] y
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 768
validation of reserved space too short.
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate 1044480 bytes at 0x02200000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 1024
This is SBCL 1.0.9, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
VirtualAlloc: 0x57.
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 4088:
os_map: VirtualAlloc failure
LDB monitor
ldb> quit
Really quit? [y] y
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 1024
This is SBCL 1.0.9, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
VirtualAlloc: 0x57.
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 592:
os_map: VirtualAlloc failure
LDB monitor
ldb> quit
Really quit? [y] y
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 2048
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate -2147483648 bytes at 0x09000000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 3096
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate -1048576000 bytes at 0x09000000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 4192
This is SBCL 1.0.9, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
VirtualAlloc: 0x57.
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 3828:
os_map: VirtualAlloc failure
LDB monitor
ldb> quit
Really quit? [y] y
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>dir
Map van C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9
29/01/2008 18:17 <DIR> .
29/01/2008 18:17 <DIR> ..
29/08/2007 06:27 23.220.232 sbcl.core
29/08/2007 06:20 1.808.651 sbcl.exe
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>
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Sorry , for the late answer.
But how is this suppose to work.
Do you need to download a WU or something and them start it up.
Or can it just be started up ...
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta>cd sbcl1.0.9
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.ocre
validation of reserved space too short.
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate 1044480 bytes at 0x02200000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core
This is SBCL 1.0.9, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
VirtualAlloc: 0x57.
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 3692:
os_map: VirtualAlloc failure
LDB monitor
ldb> quit
Really quit? [y] y
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 256
validation of reserved space too short.
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate 1044480 bytes at 0x02200000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 512
This is SBCL 1.0.9, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
VirtualAlloc: 0x57.
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 3640:
os_map: VirtualAlloc failure
LDB monitor
ldb> quit
Really quit? [y] y
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 768
validation of reserved space too short.
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate 1044480 bytes at 0x02200000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 1024
This is SBCL 1.0.9, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
VirtualAlloc: 0x57.
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 4088:
os_map: VirtualAlloc failure
LDB monitor
ldb> quit
Really quit? [y] y
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 1024
This is SBCL 1.0.9, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
VirtualAlloc: 0x57.
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 592:
os_map: VirtualAlloc failure
LDB monitor
ldb> quit
Really quit? [y] y
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 2048
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate -2147483648 bytes at 0x09000000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 3096
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate -1048576000 bytes at 0x09000000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>sbcl --core sbcl
.core --dynamic-space-size 4192
This is SBCL 1.0.9, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at <http://www.sbcl.org/>.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
VirtualAlloc: 0x57.
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 3828:
os_map: VirtualAlloc failure
LDB monitor
ldb> quit
Really quit? [y] y
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>dir
Map van C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9
29/01/2008 18:17 <DIR> .
29/01/2008 18:17 <DIR> ..
29/08/2007 06:27 23.220.232 sbcl.core
29/08/2007 06:20 1.808.651 sbcl.exe
C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\projects\\MindModeling.org_beta\\sbcl1.0.9>
Looks like increasing the Heap isn\'t going to help
It may need to be less
However a new SBCL version has just been released for windows
Anyone what to give it a try on a Win64 computer?
http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?groupname=sbcl&filename=sbcl-1.0.13-x86-windows-binary.msi&use_mirror=osdn
If you install the MSI all you have to type is \"sbcl\" from a command line.
If it works I will upgrade all MM@Home apps to it when I get back to work.
--Jack
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Seems that I can\'t install the .MSI on a 64-bit Vista.
Maybe it works on an 64-bit XP ?
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Seems that I can\'t install the .MSI on a 64-bit Vista.
Maybe it works on an 64-bit XP ?
Ok,
Try this:
Let\'s bypass the MSI
Download and unzip this SBCL zip file I made
sbcl.1.013.zip
open up cmd.exe
cd to the directory where you unzipped files sbcl.exe and sbcl.core
try the following command
sbcl --core sbcl.core
hopefully we will get a lisp prompt
Thanks
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I just started with MindModeling@Beta today, Monday Feb11, and I\'m also running Vista Ultimate X64. So IF I need to tweak someting to get the app running correctly then I better do it now. And I\'m going to need some very explicit instructions.
When I first attached to this project, 3 WU\'s were downloaded. Almost immediately they went to 100% completion and Status said \"Computation Error\".
Those 3 disappeared and were replaced with 3 more marked \"Ready to Start\". So I don\'t know what is going to happen next. I understand this is Beta app so I guess I\'ve jumped right into the deep end of the pool. No problem, I\'m ready.
I am also running SETI and Rosetta for few weeks so I know BOINC is operating correctly.
Incidently, I\'ve started my own team: MindModeling@Bremerton,Wa. So I\'m planning on being here for a while.
Good Luck.
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I just started with MindModeling@Beta today, Monday Feb11, and I\'m also running Vista Ultimate X64. So IF I need to tweak someting to get the app running correctly then I better do it now. And I\'m going to need some very explicit instructions.
When I first attached to this project, 3 WU\'s were downloaded. Almost immediately they went to 100% completion and Status said \"Computation Error\".
Those 3 disappeared and were replaced with 3 more marked \"Ready to Start\". So I don\'t know what is going to happen next. I understand this is Beta app so I guess I\'ve jumped right into the deep end of the pool. No problem, I\'m ready.
I am also running SETI and Rosetta for few weeks so I know BOINC is operating correctly.
Incidently, I\'ve started my own team: MindModeling@Bremerton,Wa. So I\'m planning on being here for a while.
Good Luck.
n2n
We are having no luck with 64-bit Vista.
As soon as someone finds a way to run Steel Bank Common Lisp on a 64-bit windows computer all will be well.
The current test case that someone with a Win64 computer would be this:
Step 1.
Download this file
sbcl.1.013.zip
Step 2.
unzip the file [move the 2 contained files to c:\\ for simplicity]
Step 3.
Press the windows key + r together //this will pop-up a run dialog box
type \'cmd.exe\'
Press enter
Step 4.
You should now have a Command Window [DOS shell]
change directory to where your unzipped the files sbcl.exe and sbcl.core
type \'cd c:\\\'
Press enter
Step 5.
Try running Steel Bank Common Lisp
type
\'sbcl --core sbcl.core\'
press enter
5. Success or Failure
if you get a message talking about
\"Your kitten of death awaits\" -- or something like that
then we have a version of lisp that can be used by the project and I will then release a new Windows version with 64-bit windows support
otherwise
We are still in need of a free lisp implementation of Winx64
Let me know how it turns out,
--Jack
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I just started with MindModeling@Beta .... And I\'m going to need some very explicit instructions.
We are having no luck with 64-bit Vista.
As soon as someone finds a way to run Steel Bank Common Lisp on a 64-bit windows computer all will be well.
The current test case that someone with a Win64 computer would be this:
Step 1.
Download this file
sbcl.1.013.zip
Step 2.
unzip the file [move the 2 contained files to c:\\ for simplicity]
Step 3.
Press the windows key + r together //this will pop-up a run dialog box
type \'cmd.exe\'
Press enter
Step 4.
You should now have a Command Window [DOS shell]
change directory to where your unzipped the files sbcl.exe and sbcl.core
type \'cd c:\\\'
Press enter
Step 5.
Try running Steel Bank Common Lisp
type
\'sbcl --core sbcl.core\'
press enter
5. Success or Failure
if you get a message talking about
\"Your kitten of death awaits\" -- or something like that
then we have a version of lisp that can be used by the project and I will then release a new Windows version with 64-bit windows support
otherwise
We are still in need of a free lisp implementation of Winx64
Let me know how it turns out,
--Jack
Thanks Jack.
I followed your procedure with some minor problems.
In Step 1 the system wouldn\'t allow download into c:\\ as it said I didn\'t have permission. Well, I am the owner of the system, the installer of the OS and the only administrator, yet Vista X64 doesn\'t recognize me as such. Vista Ultimate X64 security is still somewhat whacked and a lot of users are haveing problems similar to this. So I downloaded it elsewhere.
In Step 3, I don\'t have a \"windows\" key to press so I used the [start search] function after the Start Button and entered \"cmd\". It found it immediately and displayed an icon in the search results.
I started a command-line session and entered the command-string exactly (?) as you specified. These are the results I got, word for word:
validation of reserved space too short.
VirtualAlloc: 0x1e7.
ensure_space: failed to validate 1044480 bytes at 0x02200000
(hint: Try \"ulimit -a\"; maybe you should increase memory limits.)
Then I realized that I had actually entered \"-core\" instead of \"--core\" as you specified. So I re-ran it and I got this:
SBCL is free software. (blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada)
VirtualAlloc: 0x57
fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 6324:
os_map: VirtualAlloc failure
Welcome to LDB, a low-level debugger for the Lisp runtime environment.
ldb>
I entered the command that was hinted in the first error message: \"ulimit -a\"
and it said \"unknown command\", so that is as far as I got.
Hope all of this helps. For the time being I\'m going to stop running the app. I will monitor this forum to see how this shakes out. When you get a solution I will try again.
Good Luck.
n2n
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